Backing up Questions

[evlspcmk]

Ok im busting out of my ass to get started in this scene but i really need to know some things.

Whith the DVD roms i only know of two that work the LG 8164b & 8163b, however these seem to be harder than rocking horse sh!t to find in the stores and online that will ship to australia. Amazon wont ship to me and that seems to be the only place to find them. But when i do look for them i see things like the GDR-8164BB and other exensions of that i want to know do these BB drives work or if any one can tell me of a place that ships the compatible drives world wide and more importantly where to get them.

This leads me to my second Question, How do we Burn the Wii ISO's?
I remember Game cube games were very picky on how they were burnt and with the program used to burn them. and does anyone know if the Wii is picky with the media it takes? do we need to adjust the pot?

and my last question if any one s able to answer this yet, When using things like Gcos on the Wii is it possible under GC mode to read more than the standard 1.4GBs of the disc? i think it would be awesome to pack a DVD full of cube ISOs.

[bradg]

LG 8164b & 8163b


i saw a few on ebay today

[vandalisthero]

There seems to be a lack of verified information on the subject, however I would go by the original post on the Wiinja. It at least gives a good idea on what media you can use (don't remember them all but I remember verbatim media works) however nothing has been said about write speed or application. I would say if the program can understand the image format, you'll likely get a good burn. I know you must be worried about backing up a ton of your games and then when the chip is finally in your console, they don't work... what I would suggest due to the similarities in the GC and Wii drives would be to use the same applications and methods that would be used for GC images. 4x speed in Nero (a version known to produce good GC burns), no cheap media. Also I believe to get a working disc, you must descramble the image prior to burning (kind of obvious, I know).

Hope this helps until we get the chips ourselves and verify a proper method!

Cheers,
Vandalist

[evlspcmk]

There seems to be a lack of verified information on the subject, however I would go by the original post on the Wiinja. It at least gives a good idea on what media you can use (don't remember them all but I remember verbatim media works) however nothing has been said about write speed or application. I would say if the program can understand the image format, you'll likely get a good burn. I know you must be worried about backing up a ton of your games and then when the chip is finally in your console, they don't work... what I would suggest due to the similarities in the GC and Wii drives would be to use the same applications and methods that would be used for GC images. 4x speed in Nero (a version known to produce good GC burns), no cheap media. Also I believe to get a working disc, you must descramble the image prior to burning (kind of obvious, I know).

Hope this helps until we get the chips ourselves and verify a proper method!

Cheers,
Vandalist


yea the lack of verified info really sh!ts me, about the chip and what DVD rom to get. but thats normal i guess since the hacking has only been going about a ,month for the wii

[vandalisthero]

yea the lack of verified info really sh!ts me, about the chip and what DVD rom to get. but thats normal i guess since the hacking has only been going about a ,month for the wii

Yeah, the way I see it, we're just going to have to wait another week or two to get some cold hard facts and user experiences (as well as reading a lot more of peoples incessant b****ing, lol), but at that time we'll have the chips in our hands and know for ourselves, huh? :D

EDIT: By the way, I can't wait to find out if we can use the full capacity of full size DVD media for multi boot games. What a bonus that would be! :eek:

If that works I hope my GC doesn't hit some poor guy in the head when I throw it out of my window, lol.

[babb_z]

I dont think you'll be able to create multi-game dvd's. Your only burning the image of the actual game. To do this you'll have to recompile another iso with all the files from various games into that one iso, which in turn will break the sig of the raw dumps.

[evlspcmk]

I dont think you'll be able to create multi-game dvd's. Your only burning the image of the actual game. To do this you'll have to recompile another iso with all the files from various games into that one iso, which in turn will break the sig of the raw dumps.


thats why i ment like putting it through a Gcos style loader... if i remember i had the Ninja Bios flashed to my qoob for a while and im pretty shure some version of Gcos had a disk explorer where you could just hit the iso file and your racing... i really think this could be a possibility on the wii i mean some one has all ready ported GCos on the Wii so all we need is a DVD explorer feature added and we can really find out

[GePiYa]

Is the LG GDR-8164(B) The right DVD-Rom-Drive then or MUST be the name LG 8164 without GDR????

[StormB]

Is the LG GDR-8164(B) The right DVD-Rom-Drive then or MUST be the name LG 8164 without GDR????

I wouldn't worry about the GDR bit, thats usually just the part of the product code that manufacturers indicate what type of product it is; ie GDR is probably DVD-Rom drive. LG would have to be all kinds of stupid to release a drive called the GDR-8164 and another drive called the 8164.

[vandalisthero]

thats why i ment like putting it through a Gcos style loader... if i remember i had the Ninja Bios flashed to my qoob for a while and im pretty shure some version of Gcos had a disk explorer where you could just hit the iso file and your racing... i really think this could be a possibility on the wii i mean some one has all ready ported GCos on the Wii so all we need is a DVD explorer feature added and we can really find out

Yes, babb_z, I was refering to this as well, hence my gamecube going out the window if it works.

[GePiYa]

I wouldn't worry about the GDR bit, thats usually just the part of the product code that manufacturers indicate what type of product it is; ie GDR is probably DVD-Rom drive. LG would have to be all kinds of stupid to release a drive called the GDR-8164 and another drive called the 8164.

I think that they also released DA-8164 and D-8164. This is why i ask.

[jweaver]

Well it seems to make sense.. I manged to get a zelda.wii file, which I unscrambled to make a slightly smaller ISO.

The ISO is the right size, its 'legal' and opens in ISOEDIT (I just shows one track).. I am now burning it with nero.

If this is how its going to be its DEAD simply... But since I don't have a chip yet, I can't actually test it.

Fingers crossed that this is all there is too it!!

Jon

[marmic]

hey jweaver whats about the size of your zelda?


when i finished with all the info of rawdump says

Size 4517
Speed 567MB/hour
Time:07:57:12
Position 00230470 of 00230470
and unscrambled filesize: 4.699.979.776 Bytes

the same like wario ware smooth moves

exactly the same

what do you think?

[babb_z]

Yes, babb_z, I was refering to this as well, hence my gamecube going out the window if it works.
Sorry guys i missunderstood a bit. I bypassed the gamecube era so im not really up on all the third party OS's and such. But if its a possibilty, then ill have to agree that it would be sweet.

[ds_barf]

hey jweaver whats about the size of your zelda?


when i finished with all the info of rawdump says

Size 4517
Speed 567MB/hour
Time:07:57:12
Position 00230470 of 00230470
and unscrambled filesize: 4.699.979.776 Bytes

the same like wario ware smooth moves

exactly the same

what do you think?

well, that's because it's a raw iso right? So every bit of the disc is copied, even empty ones :)

[jweaver]

My Zelda also came out at 4.7G.

I have managed to find a few 'WII' files and they are all the same size, so I am not convinced that we are quite there yet!

Jon

[marmic]

well, that's because it's a raw iso right? So every bit of the disc is copied, even empty ones :)

well yeah thats a raw and i think it copy also the empty bits beacuse when i tried to rawdump an gc game it also do all sectors.

but after taht i ve done an unscramble and it has the perfect iso size so i can burn it as iso on a single layer dvd

so now is it right? :-)

because i ve heard about wario ware smooth moves 600mb rip is that true?

greetz

ps
raw dump size:
4,41 GB (4.736.698.368 Bytes)
iso afetr unscramble size:
4,37 GB (4.699.979.776 Bytes)(and taht is perfect normaly)

[jweaver]

Don't get me wrong.. I know that the ISO is the right size and PEFRECTLY fits on a DVD, but that not my concern. The worry is that all of the WII files I have found are nearly all the same size (i.e a complete DVD) and I don't believe that every game would be exactly a whole DVD.

It would make sence that some are bigger.. Some are smaller, but for them ALL to be 4.7g is a little strange..

I think that this is because an entire 4.7G has been 'ripped' off the disk.. This includes data, padding and just empty space.. Whether the Wii will have problems with this is something I don't know!

Jon

[marmic]

i think thats no prob because at gamecube you needed the empty spaces too or the gc couldn t read the disc!!! i think thats the same in wii

[evlspcmk]

i think thats no prob because at gamecube you needed the empty spaces too or the gc couldn t read the disc!!! i think thats the same in wii

um i really dont think thats the case i have a disk with all 3 donkey knogas on it and it reads fine even though the data would be all over the placeon that disk

[marmic]

and the iso size ist not 1,36gb???

all roms are smaller an theer is garbage given to them to run on gc maybe with the newest bios and so on you can make disc in other ways but i think the tools for multidiscs

fill the empty spaces with garbage to complete the iso to 1,36gb

[evlspcmk]

and the iso size ist not 1,36gb???

all roms are smaller an theer is garbage given to them to run on gc maybe with the newest bios and so on you can make disc in other ways but i think the tools for multidiscs

fill the empty spaces with garbage to complete the iso to 1,36gb

man im pretty shure that disk is about half full, just looking at it and it all works fine. i really think that whole u gotta fill in the garbage was crap.
however if you want to burn like a 1:1 coppy then you leave the garbage there.

[kalbaba]

It's working fine for me on an HL drive.
Speaking of backups, will trade oink for revott. PM for details.

[Sousanator]

when i put a wii disc in my drive, and run raw dump, it reads it as a wii disc but i get an error right before it can dump anything,
is that just because my drive is not lg?

[Gleasonator]

when i put a wii disc in my drive, and run raw dump, it reads it as a wii disc but i get an error right before it can dump anything,
is that just because my drive is not lg?

Kinda.

It doesn't matter that it's LG, it matters what model LG it is. But yeah, you can't rip it because you don't have the right drive.

[StormB]

I reckon a GC backup can be trimmed down (deleting padding at the end of the ISO etc) because the code isn't signed. this is why GC backups can be smaller than a full size GC disk, and multi-game disks can be made as well.

Because the wii code is signed, the data needs to be an exact 1:1 copy of the original disk. Which is 4 and a half gigs, when you include any padding etc.

At least that's my educated guess anyway.

Will