And Here is Wii Mod Number 3 - WiiKey?

[Zeus]

A new mod has been announced known as the 'WiiKey' which is rumored to be made by the 'XenoGC' creators. Their website lists a number of features and claims it will be fully upgradable by DVD disc. Unfortunately they do not display a 'real' image of the mod and only a small picture which suggests it could be far away from production.

<center><img src="http://www.maxconsole.net/content_img/wiikey.jpg"></center></a>


Specifications:

- Fully upgradable via DVD/disc (future proof, expect cool features to come)
- Direct boot of Wii backups (like originals)
- Direct boot of GC backups (like originals)
- Boots different region GC games/backups
- Boots different NTSC region Wii games/backups
- Supports multi-disc games
- Supports DVD-R and DVD+R
- Built-in audio fix (for games using streaming, no patch required)
- Stealth mode
- 4 wires & quick solder interface
- Compact design, best quality components, rock solid high speed controller
- Professional ESD packing

More features are being worked on, and will either be included in the upcoming release or in a future upgrade that will follow the release shortly.

We will upload a picture and more features within the next few days!


Official Website: <A href="http://www.wiikey.cn/" target="_blank">WiiKey.cn</a>

[Horrorwood]

Too scared to say its better than the Cyclowiz on the front page?

[Souzar]

Too scared to say its better than the Cyclowiz on the front page?

It's early days yet.. Let's at least see a real PCB.

[Narcotic]

souds good

[Code6226]

"Expected shipping date: February 7th, 2007"

I thought it might have been fake at first, since it seems odd that this is able to boot games from other (NTSC) regions with just being a DVD mod.

But if it's shipping in 5 days, I doubt they would just smoke those features up...
Sounds like the best thing thus-far!

[Mixup]

"Expected shipping date: February 7th, 2007"

I thought it might have been fake at first, since it seems odd that this is able to boot games from other (NTSC) regions with just being a DVD mod.

But if it's shipping in 5 days, I doubt they would just smoke those features up...
Sounds like the best thing thus-far!


The XenoGC could boot other region games (so could the other dvd firmware mod). The more competition the better, even if they end up the same for the time being!

[insaner]

Domain Info:

[whois.cnnic.net.cn]
Domain Name: wiikey.cn
ROID: 20070131s10001s15108975-cn
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant Organization: Wii Key Technology
Registrant Name: David Cheung
Administrative Email: wiikeycn@yahoo.com.ph
Sponsoring Registrar: Web Commerce Communications, Ltd.
Name Server:ns1.thaidns4u.com
Name Server:ns2.thaidns4u.com
Registration Date: 2007-01-31 16:55
Expiration Date: 2008-01-31 16:55

[wigsplitta]

"Expected shipping date: February 7th, 2007"

I thought it might have been fake at first, since it seems odd that this is able to boot games from other (NTSC) regions with just being a DVD mod.

But if it's shipping in 5 days, I doubt they would just smoke those features up...
Sounds like the best thing thus-far!
Thats exactly what I was thinking. I'll wait two weeks and see what happens. I just got my Wii today so there's no rush.

[jbondsr]

I think we'll see more and more of these as this month passes.

I'm not to particular about playing backups, I just want to play imports.
Also, I've been wondering. What exactly makes it so that we can't play imports? Is it information stored on the Disc or the Hardware or a combination of both? Where is it located? Can one(if only a change in one is needed) or both(if its both in hardware and software) be changed? If so, how?

[DiemetriX]

I really want a chip that anables me to play Import ntsc and jap games,
I will buy the first chip than can do that and Is upgradable.

[nazgull]

I really want a chip that anables me to play Import ntsc and jap games,
I will buy the first chip than can do that and Is upgradable.

my english isn't good, so what is different betwenn backup and import?

[Cobra.uK]

Boots different NTSC region Wii games/backups
I'm assuming b y this it obviously means I can't play NTSC games on my PAL Wii? Is it possible that there could be an NTSC to PAL converter for Wii games or what? I'm not good at all this so just wondering.

Unfortunately they do not display a 'real' image of the mod and only a small picture which suggests it could be far away from production.

Ships on the 7th? :D

[babb_z]

- Boots different region GC games/backups
- Boots different NTSC region Wii games/backups

Im confused. So does it only boot different region Wii games on an NTSC machine?

[chukz]

my english isn't good, so what is different betwenn backup and import?

If you have a North American Wii, and you want to play Japanese games, this mod will let you do it (that is called an Import game)

If you have a North American Wii, and you want to play a North American backup (on DVD-R or something), that is called a backup game, which this chip will let you play.

If you have a North American Wii, and you want to play a Japanese backup, that's called backup Import game, and according to the list of features this chip will also let you play.


Seems like a nice chip, upgradeable, easy to install, just gotta wait if it's coming out :P

[Gehenna]

- Boots different region GC games/backups
- Boots different NTSC region Wii games/backups

Im confused. So does it only boot different region Wii games on an NTSC machine?

me thinks it means you can boot Japanese games on an American Wii and vice versa since they both display NTSC video signals, but are still considered different regions. However PAL <=> NTSC is not possible at this stage in the game.

[outphase]

"backup" is an old way to dance around the notion of copies (which, by Nintendo, are illegal).

Look this up in Nintendo's newer manuals, backup/archival copies are "unnecessary" and illegal. (their words)

[kneehighspy]

with all the new chip releases, there was obviously a code leak somewhere and the groups are rushing to get something out to make a quick buck before the hex hits the net (ie: **** hits the fan).

i'm tempted to pre-order one of the chips, but i'd really like the hex to make my own.

[crono]

Boots different region GC games/backups

Is this a direct boot or whit a swap,if its direct,its better then the swap you have to make whit wiiinja or cyclowiz

Now if the only made all region boot for wii,i will also get one.

[AzCs]

with all the new chip releases, there was obviously a code leak somewhere and the groups are rushing to get something out to make a quick buck before the hex hits the net (ie: **** hits the fan).

i'm tempted to pre-order one of the chips, but i'd really like the hex to make my own.

exactly the same for me, but I`m more inclined to wait a week or two.

Remember, this is all new and all the current mods are probably based around the same code. IMHO Give it a few weeks for something better to come along :)

I bet the HEX will be posted somewhere by next week!. hell, there`s gonna be loads of peeps wanting credit for posting up the very first homebrew mod (hex).

[Alucard77]

"backup" is an old way to dance around the notion of copies (which, by Nintendo, are illegal).

Look this up in Nintendo's newer manuals, backup/archival copies are "unnecessary" and illegal. (their words)

That means nothing, Nintendo can write I am god on there if they want, doesn't make it true.

If they wrote something like:

"Section 10 Article 9 of US Federal Law States:
Game copies are illegal regardless if you own the original or not.

For further information please check www.law.gov."

Then this would have merit. The fact is, there is no law put in the books stating if it is truely illegal or not. Except in Australia where it has been deemed legal.

Nintendo will never prosecute you if you have a backup of a legally owned game. They don't want to lose that case, or they set a precedent and screw themselves in the process.

On Topic: This looks like the best chip so far if it is real. My only worry was the upgrade thing. If this allows you to upgrade, then this will be perfect.

[Z80]

All I want to know, how much $? Hopefully less than the first two.

[LouiLoomis]

I hope that a PAL version of this will be released, or at least a PAL upgrade will be avalible. Definiatly a good sign of things to come!

[sharker]

welcome to the clone wars :S

[ammmmn]

lol if this where that maxconsole ad chip:

NEW BEST IN THE WORLD MODCHIP , SHIPPED 1MIN AGO!!!! BUY NOW IT WORKS!!!

[henkp]

about the upgrading:

It is stated upgrading is possible via DVD-rom/CD-rom. Wouldn't the chip have to be active to get the dvd/cd recognized (recognised? bleh, dutch grammar interfering)?

If that is the case, this chip is in just as much trouble as others when nintendo does an update, because then it's not upgradeable anymore because you can't access it...

[ds_barf]

I hope that a PAL version of this will be released, or at least a PAL upgrade will be avalible. Definiatly a good sign of things to come!

:confused: this also works on a pal machine right?? except for the ntsc part :)

[paulchen2k5]

quote:
- Boots different NTSC region Wii games/backups

i think this means that ntsc wii users can boot jap/usa wii games. and they can't boot pal games (like on gcos for wii the pal games, due lack of hardware pal support).
and i think that pal wii users can boot eur pal and jap/usa ntsc wii games. nobody could confirm that the pal wii can't output ntsc video.
what do you mean?

(sorry for my bad english)

[Cobra.uK]

Yea I mean hopefully there's some sort of software in the future that can manage to do that, convert NTSC to PAL for us British and European users. :)

[snafro]

why the **** do they use wires AND quicksolder ?

[soothers]

why the **** do they use wires AND quicksolder ?
Wild guess:
quick solder on the drive serial port and 4 wires on the mainboard ?

Just wait untill it's actually released.

[jaxxster]

Maxconsole are whores, they've sold themselves to cyclowiz. They say that production seems to be a while away when on the actual website it states they start shippin next week. Maxconsole are ****.

[peppers]

interesting I supose we may see these comeing out of the woodworks simmalar to the 360 witch is good for those willing to wait a few months as we will probubley see much lower prices

me thinks it means you can boot Japanese games on an American Wii and vice versa since they both display NTSC video signals, but are still considered different regions. However PAL <=> NTSC is not possible at this stage in the game.
Nope and the wii's for Europe can display in ntsc stock also 60hz pal is an identical signal to a type of NTSC the reason the regions is to control pricing

[mickcris]

why the **** do they use wires AND quicksolder ?
It probably means you can use either the wires or the quicksodler.

[rasputin]

Maxconsole are whores, they've sold themselves to cyclowiz. They say that production seems to be a while away when on the actual website it states they start shippin next week. Maxconsole are ****.

I feel that MC and the cyclowiz are the same guys or are in business together. Cyclo does the same as the Wiininja, but Cyclo is the 1st "REAL" chip. Now, this one is going to be shipped God knows when according to MC.

I would respect them more if they just came out and said "This is ours, this is what we support". Do not try to act impartial.

[faceless]

why are you guys complaining?

Zeus has to do something to pay the bills!

[peppers]

You can always expect maxconsole to favor those they have a business relationship with but as long as they actually report on all the chips I can overlook the bias as those of us who are reasonably intelligent can judge the rest for ourselves, there is no real info for this one to forum any opinion but the other 2 the winja is belived to be a PIC the CycloWiz is a yet to be identified type of microcontroller mounted on a circuit board with a led the winja you can get faster but the CycloWiz is cheaper they both do the same thing so at this moment you have to decide what is most important to you when they both do become just as getable I would go with the cheaper one

[Tomobobo]

about the upgrading:

It is stated upgrading is possible via DVD-rom/CD-rom. Wouldn't the chip have to be active to get the dvd/cd recognized (recognised? bleh, dutch grammar interfering)?

If that is the case, this chip is in just as much trouble as others when nintendo does an update, because then it's not upgradeable anymore because you can't access it...

A good point man, although, most of us (at least for sure me), won't update my Wii console until it's confirmed that no unwanted results come of it. If it's the case that something does happen to the chips to those who updated, I'm sure the team will find a way to update this chip again where it's still useable. In that case, you'd update your chip first, then update your Wii.

I seriously doubt that Nintendo will do anything about these chips personally.

[jaxxster]

Ninty never really have done much to block piracy, They've never attempted to block ds flashcarts and i doubt they'll care too much about drivechips...We'll just have to wait a few months to see what nintendos response is.

[xllzerollx]

well, this looks like a good mod chip, especially because its upgradeable by a cd/dvd, just need to w8 and see reviews, or just w8 for a recognize brand to make a modchip

[tommasi]

maybe Duoii next :D

[Bothahoe]

maybe Duoii next :D

I'm waiting for viper or qoob:=)

[11111]

well, this looks like a good mod chip, especially because its upgradeable by a cd/dvd, just need to w8 and see reviews, or just w8 for a recognize brand to make a modchip

yea this does look really promising. all i know is i cant wait till the dust clears and all the 'people' reviews are out.

[halomasta203]

Awesome! Just keeps getting better by the day!:D

[kneehighspy]

you are probably 100% correct. i'm also gonna give it a bit and see what happens, i'm sure once the mods hit the streets, the hex will be released. like you said, someone wants the credit, and they can absolutely enjoy it once it's released. :)




exactly the same for me, but I`m more inclined to wait a week or two.

Remember, this is all new and all the current mods are probably based around the same code. IMHO Give it a few weeks for something better to come along :)

I bet the HEX will be posted somewhere by next week!. hell, there`s gonna be loads of peeps wanting credit for posting up the very first homebrew mod (hex).

[vandalisthero]

I'm personally sick and tired of clicking the forum links, hoping to see intelegent discussion, and rather than that seeing people flame Zeus and Maxconsole, and people who may not even have the proper programming equipment talk about how they are going to make thier own chip.

The way I see it is: If you do have the necessary equipment, one would think you would posess the knowledge to make good use of it, i.e. you are a programmer. If you don't have the stuff you're not going to spend hundreds of dollars to make one chip right? Oh so you're gonna take the dumped code and sell your own? Hypocrite. On the flipside, if you ARE in fact a programmer, and have a reason to own flashing equipment, why haven't you done the reasearch and made your own code and your own chips already rather than waiting to get something for nothing? This way you wouldn't have to come here and flame all day.

I had my doubts about the direction in which this site was going at one point, but now I'm more disgusted at some of it's members than I ever have been at Maxconsole itself. The fact of the matter is if it weren't for this site and these forums, I'd bet good money that more than half of you wouldn't even know about any of these modchips, let alone have a place to discuss them. So what if they support one chip more than the other? The one they are supporting is hands down the better chip. They have equal features, yet the Cyclo has a better design and is cheaper. It's easier to install, and if you prefer, you can wire it in for easy removal if necessary. It's no contest, so how can you blame them for being what you call in your ignorance biased? Him reccomending the CycloWiz over Wiinja is like me reccomending you eat a Hershey bar rather than a log of your own s***. And as for this WiiKey business, just because they say it's shipping out on the 7th doesn't mean it is. There's not even an actual picture of the chip yet! All I'm saying is, maybe it will ship then, maybe it won't, and maybe it will never ship at all. Did anyone else notice that peppers not too long ago said something in these same forums about a good name for a Wii modchip would be the Kii (as in a key for the Wii) and now all of a sudden the Wii Key is coming out? Could be just a coincidence, or someone read that and decided it would be a good name for a hoax chip. Either way it's still funny.


Back to Maxconsole's support of the CycloWiz versus Wiinja. First look at the 2 choices, period. Second, the only thing MC did was post a link to the offical site, and not a single reseller from which they could earn a commission. Third, for all this site has done for us in the past, is doing in the present, and will continue to do in the future, you should be greatful enough that when there is a profit to be made, you not p*** and moan about the guy trying to make a buck. We all know that when divineo has the chip, there will be a link to it in the news. Who cares? I personally don't care if Zeus makes 3 times as much as it costs to keep a roof over his head, food on his plate, and keep this site up and running. He deserves every dime as much any other guy that has to deal with this many spiteful, ungreatful people every day.

Sorry, it's been building up for a while, but if you guys want this to be a better place, and you want to see better news and reviews, stop trashing it like this. I wouldn't feed caviar to a sewer rat, would you?

[peppers]

anyone else notice that the guy who originally posted this news in the forums is the same guy that not too long ago said something in these same forums about a good name for a Wii modchip would be "Kii, you know like a key for the Wii?"
I am the one who made that comment not but I am not the one who posted this news
they need to be more clever with the chip names my submition would be the Kii modchip like a key for the Wii, yeh I know but its the best I could manage
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=46907

[vandalisthero]

I am the one who made that comment not but I am not the one who posted this news

Guess I mixed that up. My sincere apoligies. Now editing...

EDIT: Is that better? :)

[peppers]

Guess I mixed that up. My sincere apoligies. Now editing...

EDIT: Is that better? :)
Its cool I don’t really mind ether way in the 2 first days I was one of the people that overreacted to the site favor of the CycloWiz and I did jump to some in hind sight crazy conclusions partly because it was a very stressful week for me, but with a clear head my option is the reason to buy a winja is because you can get it right now and the reason to buy the CycloWiz is because its cheaper, a bit easier to install and you should be able to get it very soon
for me I want it now so ill overpay and do the extra effort, when the Cyclowiz dose make it to retailers its clearley the smarter purchase and for those that are willing to wait even longer its would also be smart to wait and see what shows up in the next 2 months

[vandalisthero]

Its cool I don’t really mind ether way in the 2 first days I was one of the people that overreacted to the site favor of the CycloWiz and I did jump to some in hind sight crazy conclusions partly because it was a very stressful week for me, but with a clear head my option is the reason to buy a winja is because you can get it right now and the reason to buy the CycloWiz is because its cheaper, a bit easier to install and you should be able to get it very soon
for me I want it now so ill overpay and do the extra effort, when the Cyclowiz dose make it to retailers its clearley the smarter purchase and for those that are willing to wait even longer its would also be smart to wait and see what shows up in the next 2 months

Ah yes, very true, those getting Wiinja will probably be the first to get their chips. To each their own, but I'm in no real rush. I'll probably get myself a CycloWiz (if they don't take too long :D ) and give it to my brother once something with usb upgrade comes out. If this WiiKey is a reality, it would definately be a great chip to have depending on the price. The one thing I don't get is how it is possible to upgrade via DVD at such an early point since homebrew can't be done yet. I might even believe upgrading via some GC homebrew DVD, although I don't know if that's possible, but if they figured it out it's most likely the reason for the extra wires. But hey, if it works, it's going to be a great chip. I might make it my second chip if it takes too long for a usb upgradable one.

[wiggim]

Interesting sounding chip.. but at its core its identical to the wiinja and cyclowiz. Its a DVD Mod, as we have seen with the 360 scene a DVD mod cannot do too much with the console in regards to homebrew/imports, dash replacements, etc.

The first chip that breaks the console core security I will look into buying, unless nintendo decide to fight back somehow and circumvent the DVD mod... right now though, they are all doing the same basic thing - patching the DVD bus line.

[Yokotuna]

WiiNewz says this code is likely the same as the other chips and imports from same video region (Jap on U.S. Wii) may work with the Wiinja also. I guess Team Ninja never tested it.

[ds_barf]

well a big difference with the wiinja and cyclo is 11 solderpoints instead of 5 - so maybe more potential :P

[AzCs]

The way I see it is: If you do have the necessary equipment, one would think you would posess the knowledge to make good use of it, i.e. you are a programmer. If you don't have the stuff you're not going to spend hundreds of dollars to make one chip right? Oh so you're gonna take the dumped code and sell your own? Hypocrite. On the flipside, if you ARE in fact a programmer, and have a reason to own flashing equipment, why haven't you done the reasearch and made your own code and your own chips already rather than waiting to get something for nothing? This way you wouldn't have to come here and flame all day.

first thing, hundreds of dollars ??? where the hell have you been looking ??? A majority of us (inclucind myself) own programmers that can be built for just a few dollars. Try googling for "JDM Programmer" we had these in the old c12 / digi / neo 2.2 days :rolleyes:

Just because I can burn a chip does not make me an ubber Pic Programmer, I I have limited knowledge of Pic assembly.

Who said anything about programming chips and re-selling them :confused:

TBH I`m all for ripping code, wiinja for example, is way overpriced for a 2 dollar pic chip! and my guess is the code WILL be stripped and posted into public sometime soon, FACT! and hell yes, I`m gonna blow that onto a chip and use it.

[nwo504]

windows is a $400 program on a .50 cent cd

[msa]

i guess this chip is what i was waiting for.

[jaxxster]

vandalisthero: You say the majority of us wouldnt have known about the chips, Maxconsole were slow on posting this news. GBATEMP ftw!!! Im just tired of maxconsole lying about the wiinja, Posting pointless news stories and just plain old bullshit.

[kneehighspy]

vanda?????

big words coming from someone stating they have a modded firmware 360 in their sig, did you write your own 360 firmware or did you mooch it from garyopa or commodore4eva?

i want the hex yeah, so? i've had a programmer for 15 years, probably almost longer than this 'write your own hex' guy has been alive. i used it for writing my own vectrex code and making my own 2600, 5200, vectrex and other roms before i ever used it to make ps1, ps2 or xbox chips.

i agree with AzCs, and prefer to make my own chip(s) once the hex is released.

so don't call everyone else lame or flame them for using other persons work if you are actually doing the same.



first thing, hundreds of dollars ??? where the hell have you been looking ??? A majority of us (inclucind myself) own programmers that can be built for just a few dollars. Try googling for "JDM Programmer" we had these in the old c12 / digi / neo 2.2 days :rolleyes:

Just because I can burn a chip does not make me an ubber Pic Programmer, I I have limited knowledge of Pic assembly.

Who said anything about programming chips and re-selling them :confused:

TBH I`m all for ripping code, wiinja for example, is way overpriced for a 2 dollar pic chip! and my guess is the code WILL be stripped and posted into public sometime soon, FACT! and hell yes, I`m gonna blow that onto a chip and use it.

[idunder]

I just think it's funny a few people bitching and moaning about Zeus and how he is so biased, and that this is like ps2news or ps3info or whatever the name of the week is for the site was where everyone was constantly edited and banned if the viewpoint or topics were not in the interest of the site operators.

Bottom line Zeus has a site to run and there will be affiliations that are made because of it. That is the way allot of businesses work I have not seen Zeus ban one single person or remove any messages that are so off topic it's not even funny. Where people piss and moan about this or about that.

What's even funnier to me is the ones that keep bitching about not wanting to pay xx dollars when it's just simple hex. (Yet none of these people have the capabilities of producing this so called easy hex themselves, they have to wait and ride on the backs of the few that can do it) It's like vultures, they just wait to pick up the scraps. No capabilities themselves..

[kneehighspy]

i don't know why you say 'ride the coat tails', i pre-orderd a cyclo-wiz from foundmy, so yeah i'll support development, but if i can get the hex and do stuff myself, i will, so..

purchasing a mod chip is also riding the coat tails, the purchaser didn't write the code either, they are just paying money to save themselves time for something they couldn't do on their own either.

so if someone was to do their own thing, that's great. someone may get the code that has great skills and perhaps improves it, then gives it out again, so code release does benefit everyone.

also a great majority of the mod chip makers out there have stolen this code to make these new chips to make money for themselves as quickly as possible before the hex is released into public domain, they are the vultures, not us. most of the people talking about wanting the hex are just individuals who enjoy doing stuff on their own, their not in it to profit.

with all the new mod chips coming out at the same time, it seems like the only ones riding the coat tails of someones hard work are the mod chip makers themselves.

perhaps all the ones with an issue should not call the kettle black, or perhaps they themselves shouldn't be purchasing mod chips or downloading drive firmware either.



I just think it's funny a few people bitching and moaning about Zeus and how he is so biased, and that this is like ps2news or ps3info or whatever the name of the week is for the site was where everyone was constantly edited and banned if the viewpoint or topics were not in the interest of the site operators.

Bottom line Zeus has a site to run and there will be affiliations that are made because of it. That is the way allot of businesses work I have not seen Zeus ban one single person or remove any messages that are so off topic it's not even funny. Where people piss and moan about this or about that.

What's even funnier to me is the ones that keep bitching about not wanting to pay xx dollars when it's just simple hex. (Yet none of these people have the capabilities of producing this so called easy hex themselves, they have to wait and ride on the backs of the few that can do it) It's like vultures, they just wait to pick up the scraps. No capabilities themselves..

[AzCs]

What's even funnier to me is the ones that keep bitching about not wanting to pay xx dollars when it's just simple hex. (Yet none of these people have the capabilities of producing this so called easy hex themselves, they have to wait and ride on the backs of the few that can do it) It's like vultures, they just wait to pick up the scraps. No capabilities themselves..

lol & you wont be ripping off nintendo ? :rolleyes:

[idunder]

i don't know why you say 'ride the coat tails', i pre-orderd a cyclo-wiz from foundmy, so yeah i'll support development, but if i can get the hex and do stuff myself, i will, so..

purchasing a mod chip is also riding the coat tails, the purchaser didn't write the code either, they are just paying money to save themselves time for something they couldn't do on their own either.

so if someone was to do their own thing, that's great. someone may get the code that has great skills and perhaps improves it, then gives it out again, so code release does benefit everyone.

When I say ride the coat tails I am referring others obviously (and I set the context in my original message - READ: "ones that keep bitching about not wanting to pay xx dollars when it's just simple hex. ")

Were you bitching about paying 40.00 for a chip that is just "simple hex"? And that when someone releases the "simple hex code" you will program your own chip, because your not paying $40.00 for "simple hex code" If so, I was referring to you, you are just riding the coat tails of a few.

Dude you are living in a dream world if you actually think any of the people here that have been bitching about it being simple PIC code and they are not paying xx dollars for that are actually going to improve it, that is pretty darn funny. Like I said before, if it's so easy just do it yourself from the get go.

And paying 40.00 for a modchip is someone riding the coat tails of some one that took the time to research test and build something, but they are at least paying for the ride.

[idunder]

lol & you wont be ripping off nintendo ? :rolleyes:

And your point is?

[lcddream]

oops...i was wrong...ignore

[kneehighspy]

well i just paid $40+ dollars for the 'simple hex' i guess. i don't mind paying myself, but if the hex had been released first, would i have? no. it's the same as the 360 firmware, i'm not gonna pay someone for something that i don't need to buy in the first place. every one of these 360 chips are all based on free code and the same design.

the chips are for people who want an easy install and do not want to risk their hardware, and or do not have the proper hardware / software to do it themselves.

every one of these wii chips are all based on the same design, every one has cloned each other, there is no real research and development going on here. and i'm sure all are based on the same code. you cannot have 3 or 4 chips announced in the same week without the fact they are all the same. not every chip maker had a major breakthrough this week.

this wii chip is not as elaborate as one wants to be led to believe, could i have done it? no. could anyone who posts here done it? more than likely not. is it a simple design? i dunno, but we'll all see in the coming weeks. i'm not here to discuss my or anyone else's skills. i am here to just talk with people about a hobby i enjoy and have been doing for longer than most here have been alive.

i guess while i'm waiting for my chip to arrive in the next week or so, i'll be here standing on these coat tails of someones.


When I say ride the coat tails I am referring others obviously (and I set the context in my original message - READ: "ones that keep bitching about not wanting to pay xx dollars when it's just simple hex. ")

Were you bitching about paying 40.00 for a chip that is just "simple hex"? And that when someone releases the "simple hex code" you will program your own chip, because your not paying $40.00 for "simple hex code" If so, I was referring to you, you are just riding the coat tails of a few.

Dude you are living in a dream world if you actually think any of the people here that have been bitching about it being simple PIC code and they are not paying xx dollars for that are actually going to improve it, that is pretty darn funny. Like I said before, if it's so easy just do it yourself from the get go.

And paying 40.00 for a modchip is someone riding the coat tails of some one that took the time to research test and build something, but they are at least paying for the ride.

[Xenogears V]

another? They are specializing!.:D

[Mr.Do!]

basically.. we are all dishonest so noone should ***** about anyone being dishonest.

Either buy your chip and steal games..

or make your own chip and steal games..

We are all a bunch of thieves in the long run.

Even the modchip makers. These chips are nothing more than a way to rip off someone else..

They dont allow for homebrew, they dont allow imports.. they are cheap pieces of crap. A quick way to rob developers and quite frankly a turn off the once cool mod scene. Dont get me worng.. i play backups, I buy games, i do both. But my main reason for modding a console is to unlock it full potential.

these drive chips do nothing of the sort.

i hope nintendo stomps these things out faster than you can say cyclowiz

As far as maxconsole backing one of the many cloned BS chips out there.. hey someone has to pay the bills. Whats the big deal, use your brain and research the chip and buy the one that best suits you.

[idunder]

well i just paid $40+ dollars for the 'simple hex' i guess. i don't mind paying myself, but if the hex had been released first, would i have? no. it's the same as the 360 firmware, i'm not gonna pay someone for something that i don't need to buy in the first place. every one of these 360 chips are all based on free code and the same design.

the chips are for people who want an easy install and do not want to risk their hardware, and or do not have the proper hardware / software to do it themselves.

every one of these wii chips are all based on the same design, every one has cloned each other, there is no real research and development going on here. and i'm sure all are based on the same code. you cannot have 3 or 4 chips announced in the same week without the fact they are all the same. not every chip maker had a major breakthrough this week.

this wii chip is not as elaborate as one wants to be led to believe, could i have done it? no. could anyone who posts here done it? more than likely not. is it a simple design? i dunno, but we'll all see in the coming weeks. i'm not here to discuss my or anyone else's skills. i am here to just talk with people about a hobby i enjoy and have been doing for longer than most here have been alive.

i guess while i'm waiting for my chip to arrive in the next week or so, i'll be here standing on these coat tails of someones.

My rant was not centered towards you kneehighspy,

That is why I said: "When I say ride the coat tails I am referring others obviously' - That means NOT you.

I am just sick of people dissing Maxconsole and Zeus and everyone saying the modchips are not worth 40 bucks because it's just "simple hex"

The ones that keep saying how simple it is, have done NOTHING to support the argument. If it was THAT simple, anyone could make a mod chip RIGHT now based on the PIC that the Wiinja uses. Their are diagrams already showing what lines need to be hooked up to on the drive, and it's a basic PIC. Rumor has it that the wiinja is only nulling out certain commands the drive is sending. Until someone rips the chip, that someone else has taken the time to design, everyone claiming how simple this is, is full of it.

[vandalisthero]

The difference between fw hack on the 360 and Wii modchips is simple. While they serve the same purpose, hacking the 360 doesn't involve anything more than using the code that was distributed by the original coder which was meant to be free. C4E could have very likely had a modchip manufactured but instead wanted his hard work to be free to the public. The developers of the Wii modchips obviously feel different and want to be compensated for their work, which is their right. No matter what their code is meant to do, they wrote it and that's what people are paying for.

The thing about the price of programmers was a shot in the dark. I really don't care how much it costs, nor should I have any reason to, which is why I didn't look it up first.

And I did not call anybody scum. My analogy just meant that I wouldn't give the good news to people who don't appreciate it. I guess it was besides the point though. The fact that there have been quite a few bad and pointless news posts is no reason to come on and flame every day. Terrible news doesn't mean the guy is lying to you. On a slow news day, it's going to happen. If you watch your local news, aren't there days where they report on stupid s*** that you can't believe passed for news? God forbid that somebody in your town or city didn't get shot that day to make it interesting enough for you. However, for as much crap as I've seen on tv news, I don't call up the station and complain and I'd be willing to bet you don't either. One could say it's apples and oranges, but it's nothing more than a different medium and different news and the same principles should apply.

[josh1007]

Plz... I hope this is not a goddamn fake....:(

[high-as-a-kite]

I think that until you can write with the grammar and clarity of vandalisthero you should not be allowed to say **** about him...

[peppers]

edit:the post the was in regards to has been eraced

^that is not true this is not ps2ownz or whatere they call themselfs these days they have there problems but its not that bad

[kneehighspy]

that's cool idunder, i don't meant to rant myself. i support people personally, but i also enjoy doing things myself also.

i also agree, it's not as simple as most seem to think to develop the code for a mod chip, and it does take some intelligence.

in the end, we all benefit.

again, i don't mean to rant to you either.



My rant was not centered towards you kneehighspy,

That is why I said: "When I say ride the coat tails I am referring others obviously' - That means NOT you.

I am just sick of people dissing Maxconsole and Zeus and everyone saying the modchips are not worth 40 bucks because it's just "simple hex"

The ones that keep saying how simple it is, have done NOTHING to support the argument. If it was THAT simple, anyone could make a mod chip RIGHT now based on the PIC that the Wiinja uses. Their are diagrams already showing what lines need to be hooked up to on the drive, and it's a basic PIC. Rumor has it that the wiinja is only nulling out certain commands the drive is sending. Until someone rips the chip, that someone else has taken the time to design, everyone claiming how simple this is, is full of it.

[wiggim]

the wiikey is the cyclowiz on a reflashable, stable (and more secure) chip or what appears to be an asic.
the cyclowiz is a wiinja on a PCB with a 50mhz oscillator and a few LEDs.
the wiinja is the base code for both chips.

I figure the cyclowiz and wiinja can both easily be dumped, as they are on pretty cheap chips. The cyclowiz is written on a bigger chip for handling the LED info mainly, and I figure could also be stripped of its extra I/O handling regarding the LEDs and be written to a PIC chip too..

An 8-pin pic wouldn't be able to handle 2LED outputs which are related to the input signals it has to compare.. a bit more complex code, but almost an exact clone of how the XenoGC works too with its LEDs - based on what signals its receiving/passing.

the wiinja is a bit more tricky to install, and defiantly is cheaper, and has a higher price tag. The cyclowiz looks to be the best right now, and I doubt the wiikey will offer any new benefits - but I will let that to the coders to decide. Once a chip breaks console security, I will upgrade.

[vandalisthero]

Rumor has it that the wiinja is only nulling out certain commands the drive is sending.

Wow. If that's the case and all the chips are based on this same method, I could see them not lasting through the next update.

[kneehighspy]

i think the cyclowiz uses an sx28, least thats what it looks like.


the wiikey is the cyclowiz on a reflashable, stable (and more secure) chip or what appears to be an asic.
the cyclowiz is a wiinja on a PCB with a 50mhz oscillator and a few LEDs.
the wiinja is the base code for both chips.

I figure the cyclowiz and wiinja can both easily be dumped, as they are on pretty cheap chips. The cyclowiz is written on a bigger chip for handling the LED info mainly, and I figure could also be stripped of its extra I/O handling regarding the LEDs and be written to a PIC chip too..

An 8-pin pic wouldn't be able to handle 2LED outputs which are related to the input signals it has to compare.. a bit more complex code, but almost an exact clone of how the XenoGC works too with its LEDs - based on what signals its receiving/passing.

the wiinja is a bit more tricky to install, and defiantly is cheaper, and has a higher price tag. The cyclowiz looks to be the best right now, and I doubt the wiikey will offer any new benefits - but I will let that to the coders to decide. Once a chip breaks console security, I will upgrade.

[Merle]

So still no modchip that could survive the next update? :(

[mickcris]

I will probably disconnect mine from the internet after installing the chip. None of the updates so far have really been necissary anyway.

[Guardian_]

I will probably disconnect mine from the internet after installing the chip. None of the updates so far have really been necissary anyway.

That would a good idea. But i first wanna know if it play's imports on a PAL Wii...

We'll see :o

[oriose]

I'm really looking forward to this one but it's 02-06 today and their website says the expected shipping date is tomorrow (02-07) . Is that possible?
Since that day it's been announced, I didn't see any new infomation about this mod anymore..No a single picture, no installation video.. nothing at all..

Are they really reliable?:confused:

[kneehighspy]

well according to the cyclowiz site, they started shipping chips to retailers on 02/02/07 so end users should start receiving them after 02/07/07.



I'm really looking forward to this one but it's 02-06 today and their website says the expected shipping date is tomorrow (02-07) . Is that possible?
Since that day it's been announced, I didn't see any new infomation about this mod anymore..No a single picture, no installation video.. nothing at all..

Are they really reliable?:confused:

[Hooya]

well according to the cyclowiz site, they started shipping chips to retailers on 02/02/07 so end users should start receiving them after 02/07/07.

Who said anything about Cyclowiz? Aren't we talking about Wiikey?

[panaconsoles]

This is the reaction of Team Cyclops about Wiikey:

Hello,

From what we see it is close to our product, sames features, same way to update etc. only difference is we have stocks, and they are only working on it (they do not even have prototype pictures). Also our product is made in Europe, and theirs in China, generally European products have better quality, although we can not confirm as no one has seen their product yet. I think main difference is that they will be 1 month behind with the same product as us, but by then our brand will be so established, their sales will be much lower.

--
Best regards,
Team Cyclops

[Roritharr]

If i were the CycloWiz guys i'd scratch my head and ask my self for what purpose the other group needs four more wires... i say the updateablity of cyclowiz chip is just bs..

[vejita316]

This is the reaction of Team Cyclops about Wiikey:

Hello,

From what we see it is close to our product, sames features, same way to update etc. only difference is we have stocks, and they are only working on it (they do not even have prototype pictures). Also our product is made in Europe, and theirs in China, generally European products have better quality, although we can not confirm as no one has seen their product yet. I think main difference is that they will be 1 month behind with the same product as us, but by then our brand will be so established, their sales will be much lower.

--
Best regards,
Team Cyclops

Damn, my Wii must be about to die because it's made in China :)

[Phaethon]

This 1st generation of Wii modchips was humming along so smoothly, but it looks like a recent Nintendo manufacturing modification has rained on their parade for the time being. While the chips do work fine in early Wiis, and that DVD upgradability should keep 'em humming for some time to come, the Wiinja, CycloWiz and WiiKey chips all fail to work with Wiis running the D2B Panasonic chipset, which shows up in certain Wiis, mostly ones purchased in late January / early February. The only way to check for the chipset is to pry open the Wii and look for yourself, and the incompatibility means that even the DVD upgradability won't allow current modchips to run on these systems. Both the CycloWiz and Wiinja teams have confirmed the problem, and are already working on new versions to get around the Panasonic chipset, but you might want to make sure your Wii is compatible before you blow your cash on a non-working modchip.

From: Engadget


So, even the WiiKEy wouldnt work. In germany some shops has cancelled the cyclowiz because of the chipset problem and wrote, that wiikey would work on every console. But the Engaged-Posting would say, that is not correct. Any infos?

[msa]

is there any chance that a modchip will NOT require a switch to update?

[felixm477]

If i were the CycloWiz guys i'd scratch my head and ask my self for what purpose the other group needs four more wires... i say the updateablity of cyclowiz chip is just bs..

the number of wires a modchip has doesnt disctate how many features/capabilities it can posses. there where many xbox/360/ps2 modchips with half the wires that had more features than modchips with 20+ wires. just because the wiikey has 4 more wires doesnt mean its better it just means they have most likely circumvented protection a different way that requires more wire bypassing.

[kruss]

still nothing on the wiikey site and its meant to be out today ! I'll see Santa quicker than I'll see one of these chips.

[apexi350z]

most people are saying wiikey will work with D2B chip, but where does it say on their website? no mention of it, so to me, it's just like wiinja and cyclowiz.

Also, how soon will it be out? Just says: expected ship date Feb 7th, 2007..

[Mienaikage]

I just found out about this today, I wasn't interested until I discovered Naruto Gekitou Ninja Taisen EX is out in less than 2 weeks, now I want one <.< it will probably tempt me to import Pokemon Battle Revolution too.

I hope it will work in PAL consoles, if it doesn't I'm going to be majorly pissed :mad:

[wii fan]

Does the wiikey chip work or not?:confused: :)








wii (http://www.wiiyou.com/nintendo-wii/chiip-open-source-wii-modchips-on-the-cheap/)

[Kai_2040]

yes it does work look at the review. Click below
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=51844