Why you should buy a PS3 this christmas

[cokemusic1]

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You might know me from my "reasons to silence the fanboys" thread which the Xbots heavily flamed me for , so I decided i'd do a more structured argument without too much opinion and speculation.In this post i've decided not to include the nintendo Wii as I don't see it as the console that most hardcore gamers would opt for as their first choice it's primarily a family/casual gamers console, maybe i'm mistaken.

I believe that the XBOX 360 has little to no chance of succesfully beating the PS3 this generation maybe even soon this christmas, I predict that by december 08 the PS3 will have succesfully overtaken the XBOX360 possibly by a huge margin . And this is why I believe that you should by a PS3 this christmas.

PLEASE EXCUSE ANY SPELLING ERRORS
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PS3 GOING TO GET MUCH CHEAPER AS TIME PASSES.

According to my understanding some of the components used in the ps3 are currently used in and will be used in many other electronics in the future TV's,Phones,Camera's,Computers etc , high sales volume brings manufacturing costs down ( why exactly i'm not sure LOL possibly because the methods and technology used to make the components becomes more advance = to faster and cheaper product ...maybe ??) Ofcourse this will also work in favour of the XBOX 360 as all consoles get cheaper. But also keep in mind one of the biggest barriers holding back the PS3 IS IT'S PRICE , every time the PS3 has had a price cut it has witnessed huge % increase in sales(although this is true of many electronics that reduce in price , but considering the PS3 was still seen as overly expensive the price cuts wouldn't have had as significant an impact as it could have.

A cheaper PS3 doesn't mean you shouldn't buy it this christmas I'm saying this so that you know it'll apeal to the mass market = comercial success.


FULLY UTILISING THE XBOX 360 IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE PS3

*HDMI OUTPUT IS NOT INCLUDED IN SKU'S OTHER THAN ELITE

In the UK the PS3 40GB and the XBOX Elite 120GB both cost £299 ( I must admit with so much storage capacity that sounds like good value for money)

-XBOX live 12 montsh subscription £35
-Wifi £60 ( optional but much more convenient for gaming )
-HD-DVD Drive £115 ( For next gen HD-DVD)
(prices based on amazon.co.uk , one of the lowest possible prices for new hardware)

Fully utilised 360 costing between £450-£510 ($900-$1020), this would buy you a 60GB PS3 (£350) with Wi-Fi , Next Gen Blu Ray , Card Readers , HDMI , Full PS2 compatibility and Free PSN ( however this is dispute to wether XBOX live delivers a better quality service or not)

Considering that Sony sell PS3's at a loss you can guarantee that any money spent on a PS3 is money well spent.

XBOX 360 HAS A HIGH RATE OF FALIURE , VERY UNRELIABLE.

*MICROSOFT DENIED HARDWARE FALIURE AT FIRST
*THIS IS WILL ALSO BE MORE COSTLY THAN A PS3 AFTER THE 3 YEAR WARRANTY EXPIRES.

33% hardware faliure indicates a poorly built console , that's 3.3 in 10 XBOX 360's failing , personaly i'd never buy a piece of hardware that I knew had a high chance of faliure when buying it , it's like getting a kidney transplant that you knew had a 1/3 chance of killing you ( well unless you had no other option you'd do it , but in gaming industry you got 3)

Considering that Microsoft have set $1bill (£500mill) asside for repairs it makes the purchase more reasonable , but with consoles that should have a 5-10 year lifespan we'll witness huge numbers of RROD'd XBOX 360's that don't qualify for the 3 year warranty , what is microsoft going to do then ? issue a 7 year warranty ?

*I BELIEVE THE HARDWARE FALIRE + OTHER FACTORS WILL LEAD TO MICROSFT BRAKING EVEN ON THE XBOX AGAIN LIKE LAST GEN

EVERY EXCLUSIVE ON THE XBOX 360 WILL BE ON THE PC AT SOME POINT

*PS3 BOASTING MANY KILLER EXCLUSIVES

the term XBOX 360 exclusive is innacurate it should be more like Microsoft exclusive considering that it'll be on a PC near your 6-12 months down the line with improved graphics and gameplay. This leads me to the question WHY buy something that will be availible on a open platform only improved(I guess getting microsoft exclusives earlier would be a reason but for £300 ? i'd willingy wait an extra 6 months per title if it saved me hundreds of pounds.

Wheras the PS3 has titles that probably will never apear on a computer screen ( MGS4 etc etc, you could bring up the emulator point but that would take a decade to run 100% full speed considering the complexity of the console , the PS2 hasn't even been fully emulated yet). So really the XBOX 360 is just a computer with a subscription to play multiplayer games.


THE XBOX 360 IS FAILING IN JAPAN TERRIBLY

* No AAA RPG's FOR THE 360 IN THE NEAR FUTURE

Yes the PS3 isn't jumping leaps and bounds but it still has so much potential with titles like Final Fantasy , MGS , Kingdom Hearts and the added connectivity it has with the quite succesfull PSP console . Japan plays a huge role in any consoles success and right now the Jap's aren't showing XBOX any love , it would take an absoloute miracl for the XBOX 360 to have any comercial success.

HD DVD likely to loose out Blu-Ray

*HD DVD Drive's bought for XBOX 360 will be useless
*Blu Ray Dye makes production of Blu Ray cheaper

Blu Ray is selling more than double the amount that HD DVD is on a world wide level and will sell more with the price drop of the PS3 the cheapest Blu Ray player ( although there is a $199 HD-DVD player which will definetley be competition for Blu-Ray , but it is limited in features) , with the PS3 being bought for multi reasons asside from it's game playing functionality Sony will still have a huge potential market to sell PS3 games to.

*MICHAEL BAY THREATENED NOT TO DO TRANSFORMERS 2 IF IT WAS GOING TO BE RELEASED ON HD-DVD ONLY , HE OBVIOUSLY SAW HUGE REVENUE POTENTIAL IN THE BLU-RAY.

HD-DVD PIRACY WILL COST MICROSOFT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS

*DVD INCREDIBLY EASY TO PIRATE AT THE MOMENT
*BLU RAY FAR HARDER AND FAR MORE EXPENSIVE TO PIRATE.( I was reffering to PS3 games)
*IMPOSSIBLE TO RUN BACK-UPS ON THE PS3 @ THE MOMENT

Looking @ a popular torrent site I see that a XBOX 360 game named The Darkness is being downloaded by 60,000 people X $60.00 that they should have paid will = 3.6 Million in losses ( although considering not all of the people downloading the game may have bought or may still buy it , the losses may not be as great) But assuming each piracy will cost microsoft 1mil per game they are looking @ losses of at least 100Mill for every hundred games they release.

PS2 INSTALL BASE OF 120 MILL, RACE FAR FROM OVER

*XBOX 360 BASE MUCH MUCH SMALLER
*IF HISTORY IS ANYTHING TO GO BY DON'T BUY 360!!

Many PS2 owners have owned the PSX ( like myself ) and will probably opt for the PS3 (not because of fanboyism but for the sake of sticking to what you know is good for you) i've enjoyed the PSX,PS2 experience so far so why not buy a PS3 ?. Considering that around only 40 million consoles have been sold so far and there's potentialy around 170-200 million consoels to be sold this generation the race is far from over(this could work in or against sony's favour ofcourse)

DVD IS ARGUED TO BE A FUTILE FORMAT.

Yes you can compress games , and put that on to multiple DVDs but how pratical is it if every game becomes multi disc ( some one who owned 10 multi disk game could have anywhere between 20-60 discs IN THE FUTURE OF COURSE) with more content being put into games it's possible the DVD doesn't pass the test( this is one of the weaker points , but it's still a point.)

XBOX 720 POSSIBILITY

Microsoft are very unpredictable and could already have an XBOX 720 in development , some argue that MS would never betray them like that but then look @ the XBOX elite with HDMI output , imrpoved ventilation and cooling , things which should have been in the original xbox 360.

Although considering the huge R&D cost's an 720 is less likley , but then bill gates doesn't care about costs.


In conclusion i'll say that the PS3 is definetley a console designed for it's generations , good value for money , versatile ( can run linux on it too ) , boasting some pretty good titles ( Eye Of Judgement looking like a very hot title), PSP connectivity , Next Gen Blu Ray , PSN , Home and much more.

For all XBOT troops that have assembled to kill this thread , I'm just presenting my opinion , it may be completley incorrect but hey I'm entitled to my point of view . I've highlited this in red but you'll still flame me regardelss because you hate for anyone to talk bad about MS I have tried to be fair.
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[yamster32]

Whilst You make Some valid Points, I beleive the New 360 Arcade comes with HDMI, Though Does not com with a Hard Drive at all

[Cyclone57]

You raise some good points. At the end of the day when you've finished buying everything you need to make the 360 great, e.g. HD-DVD player, wireless adapter, XBox Live subscription, USB re-charge pack, etc. you'll have spent over £500. It's all in the package with the PS3 for £350. Not to mention that the XBox 360 is about as quiet as a lawnmower. Which sounds better?

[kmoed]

1. Discounting the Wii in this argument is your first mistake. Where people get the idea that “hardcore games” are defined by button masher fighters or anything with a gun is just so stupid. The term was originally stated about people that play A LOT of games. The Wii is currently getting a lot of people to play games that would not. That is hardcore.


PS3 GOING TO GET MUCH CHEAPER AS TIME PASSES.

Yes, But by the time it is cheap enough to make any dent it will be too late.


FULLY UTILISING THE XBOX 360 IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE PS3

HDMI output is included on every sku at this time, including the cheaper “Arcade version”

XBOX 360 HAS A HIGH RATE OF FALIURE , VERY UNRELIABLE.

This has been fixed.

EVERY EXCLUSIVE ON THE XBOX 360 WILL BE ON THE PC AT SOME POINT

Nope.
Exclusives will remain on the console like all others for a period of time.
It will be no different for MGS4 and FF. Within 1-2 months of release they will be announced for the Xbox. Sony has too small an install base for these publishers to lose there shirt over leaving their titles exclusive to Sony, and you can guarantee Sony paid them a truckload to keep these titles exclusive for now.



THE XBOX 360 IS FAILING IN JAPAN TERRIBLY

PS3 is not doing too good itself…



HD DVD likely to loose out Blu-Ray.
Sub $200 HDDVD players at Wal-Mart are going to change that this xmas. If there is no Blue Ray player under $200 in stores by summer, it’s dead.



HD-DVD PIRACY WILL COST MICROSOFT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS

I can pirate blue ray just as easy as HD-DVD or CD-ROM for that matter, Your making stuff up here.

PS2 INSTALL BASE OF 120 MILL, RACE FAR FROM OVER

And that install base is currently buying Nintendo Wii.

DVD IS ARGUED TO BE A FUTILE FORMAT.

By the time the storage capacity of DVD is too small, the next gen of console’s will already be out.

XBOX 720 POSSIBILITY

I Bet they do have it in development and when it is released 2 years from now along with the HD-Wii it will be the nail in the coffin for Sony. The PS3 is only as powerful as the Xbox 360, It cannot last 10 years as Sony hopes, they expected everyone to run out and purchase it on launch day and are now scrambling to save their asses. They have been done in by their own arrogance.

[kaisersose77]

I have both consoles, and dont play either much tbh, but why do ppl buy games consoles?......................games. And atm, even though the ps3 is at a great price, I wouldnt recommend and friends to get one, because atm theres hardly anything worth play, and the only game that a lot of ppl would have bought a ps3 for (pro evo) is bug ridden.

You have to remember not everybody has broadband, wireless routers, hdtv's etc and not everybody wants to play online, watch HD movies etc. Next xmas will be the time to get a ps3!

look at your own sig, nobodys gonna to pay attention to your post. Pro evo on the ps3 was meant to be 18gb............................its 5.5gb and fits on a dvd like most of the ps3 games so far.

[Video Boy Club]

Ridiculous!!! I would like to hear the point of views of all those less than eight months ago have paid a WC called ps3 599 € in EUROPE. $ony must refund their fans.......

PES 2008 is one reason to buy a xbox 360 that far better than ps3!!!!!

for me people will prefer to buy a new pc and the nintendo wii like additional console so then add a mod chip to it.

[el username]

Both are great consoles but the 360 has the best games.

Both consoles are solid purchases at this point but most of this users facts are fudged and/or clearly biased. While the PS3 is lowering the price Sony also took a huge loss last quarter based on the lower price point. How much lower can they afford to go?

Also the ludicrous remark about titles showing up on the PC? While a couple have, most don't.

I don't know why some people need to make stuff up to try to support one or the other console.

[Karma-sama]

thread founder is clearly a bit biased, but that's Ok, most of us are in one way or another. overall good points *thumbs up*

although stating that every xbox360 game eventually will be on the PC-platform as well doesn't sound right.

also... does everyone buying a xbox360 really think that it's cheaper than the PS3? so who would pass out on the live-subscription? it just gets more expensive over time. *thanks PSN for being free*

[BloodShed]

Some of this I can agree with, some not.

Honestly, my biggest complaint is that I'm sick of people comparing consoles with the HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray format war. What really matters is the games. The format is just another tool to offer more for game developers. For this, Blu-ray on PS3 is an obvious advantage because of the available space. HD-DVD on 360 is strictly for movies. Even if Blu-ray wins, Microsoft has stated they could release an external Blu-ray player.

I like my PS3 and there are some cool games on it (note: no real killer titles yet). But Sony needs to get their act together. They need to fix their marketing and PR and they need to do whatever it takes to make some better development tools and start helping 3rd parties. Microsoft has been throwing money around and buying companies all over the place from day one. They learned last generation that the key to success is releasing great exclusive games.

Still, I'd like my 360 more if it wasn't so broken (constant lockups, disc-read errors, etc). The other key factor for me is that I refuse to pay for Xbox Live service. Not to mention their "points" system where customers loose the concept of value in online purchases because they don't know how much they're spending. F' that. I like the PSN and I'm looking forward to Home. But as with everything good about PS3... it's not out yet.

Right now, I just can't really recommend the PS3 to friends if they're only buying one console. There's a lot of potential for PS3 to be great but Sony is still stumbling around trying to fix their approach. All of the really killer exclusives are on 360.

[Raggamuffin]

Sorry, but most of your points seem totally biased. And calling people "Xbots" makes you look like a fanboy...

[extreme22]

[QUOTE=cokemusic1;739281]**BLU RAY FAR HARDER AND FAR MORE EXPENSIVE TO PIRATE.
*IMPOSSIBLE TO RUN BACK-UPS ON THE PS3 @ THE MOMENT

Dude what are you talking about I have backed up 5 of my free blu-rays thanks to Sony and I am streaming Them to my 360 lol.

Your right when it comes down to picking between the ps3 vs. 360 Ps3 seems to be the right choice but not for everyone,
But I say seems to be the right choice, when the dust clears
All we want to do is play good games which Sony lacks so that 400$
Price tag will have to wait for when ps3 has some good quality of games.

But for now the 360 you have the freedom of choice to pick what accessories
You would like to have not everyone has high-speed internet
Not everyone has a high-def TV and not everyone wants to
Move from DVD to blu-ray because of the cost of doing all of this

And is about choice which Sony opt on the consumer
and the choice to pick if they want blu-ray or just DVD
adding blu-ray is costing Sony a hell of a lot of money,

Not everyone can afford to make the 1080p change
And the way Sony is promoting their ps3 it is more like a blu-ray player and not a video game and that why u might see DVD kill both HD formats
Then what will Sony do Ms was smart not to include a HD-DVD just for that Reason and the way sales are continuing to grow for DVD it might in fact happen.

all we care about is playing good games you think we want to come home and fight about who is going to win " some of you do " but we want to kick back and play,

you get it MS and Sony all we care about is playing Video games.

[cokemusic1]

1. Discounting the Wii in this argument is your first mistake. Where people get the idea that “hardcore games” are defined by button masher fighters or anything with a gun is just so stupid. The term was originally stated about people that play A LOT of games. The Wii is currently getting a lot of people to play games that would not. That is hardcore.

Getting people to play games that usualy wouldn't is called "casual" not "hardcore" you wouldn't get a mother playing 12 hours on her Wii .

PS3 GOING TO GET MUCH CHEAPER AS TIME PASSES.

Yes, But by the time it is cheap enough to make any dent it will be too late.

possibly, I dought it.


FULLY UTILISING THE XBOX 360 IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE PS3

HDMI output is included on every sku at this time, including the cheaper “Arcade version”

XBOX 360 HAS A HIGH RATE OF FALIURE , VERY UNRELIABLE.

This has been fixed.

The multiple major hardware faliures that a 360 can get have been fixed ? I liked to see some hard evidence to support that because I seriously dought it

Nope.
Exclusives will remain on the console like all others for a period of time.
It will be no different for MGS4 and FF. Within 1-2 months of release they will be announced for the Xbox. Sony has too small an install base for these publishers to lose there shirt over leaving their titles exclusive to Sony, and you can guarantee Sony paid them a truckload to keep these titles exclusive for now.

Yes there may be some PS3 exclusives on the PC but I can assure you that more XBOX 360 exclusives will end up on the PC. Paying developers for exclusivity isn't done by Sony alone.

THE XBOX 360 IS FAILING IN JAPAN TERRIBLY

PS3 is not doing too good itself…

I'm sure it's just down to a lack of games that the jap's want as soon as MGS4 comes out and Final Fantasy he japs will buy PS3's by the truckload.

HD DVD likely to loose out Blu-Ray.
Sub $200 HDDVD players at Wal-Mart are going to change that this xmas. If there is no Blue Ray player under $200 in stores by summer, it’s dead.

That may very well be true but at this point in time your opinion is just as valid as mine.

HD-DVD PIRACY WILL COST MICROSOFT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS

I can pirate blue ray just as easy as HD-DVD or CD-ROM for that matter, Your making stuff up here.

When I meant Blu-Ray piracy I was reffering to games , even blu-ray movie piracy isn't logical considering the current costs of Blu-Ray Players,writers,DVD's it would be cheaper to buy PS3 games than to burn them yourself.

Sorry, but most of your points seem totally biased. And calling people "Xbots" makes you look like a fanboy...

Sorry but I just find the word funny , i'd switch from PS3 to XBOX in a heartbeat if I had enough reason to but I don't. Any fanboyism I show is simply because I find it funny I actualy dislike Sony.
I'd like to add that Max Console have modified and added to what I said in order to start a flame war (no where in my post is the word "fact" posted yet max consoel claim it is the title of the thread), please act responsibly and discuss/debate a maturely .

[exorcist1966]

Ridiculous!!! I would like to hear the point of views of all those less than eight months ago have paid a WC called ps3 599 € in EUROPE. $ony must refund their fans.......

PES 2008 is one reason to buy a xbox 360 that far better than ps3!!!!!

for me people will prefer to buy a new pc and the nintendo wii like additional console so then add a mod chip to it.

In 1972 Sir Clive Sinclair launched the "Executive" the world's first truly pocket calculator @ £79 today you can buy a pocket calculator for £1 does that mean that Sir Clive was ripping people off?

I dont think so this is technology and in 1972 not everyone could afford the executive either.
The PS3 is one such luxury that not everyone can afford but £ for £ you get probably get the worlds only truly next gen console and movie player all rolled into one.

And one last thing "It always works flawlessly when you want it to" RROD

[mkygod]

Here are some of the points i disagree with:

PS3 GOING TO GET MUCH CHEAPER AS TIME PASSES.: So will the Xbox360..

FULLY UTILISING THE XBOX 360 IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE PS3: Depends on what you mean as "utilising". The Xbox360 is foremost a gaming console. As a gaming console, the Xbox360 at current time is clearly the better gaming machine due to its price and game selection.

"Considering that Sony sell PS3's at a loss you can guarantee that any money spent on a PS3 is money well spent." = I don't see how that is a reason to buy a PS3 or not to buy an Xbox360. The Bugatti Veyron sells at a lost. For my money, i would rather buy Lexus.

EVERY EXCLUSIVE ON THE XBOX 360 WILL BE ON THE PC AT SOME POINT This is in no way a fact. Some games will eventually be on the PC but NOT all. Keep in mind that many PS2 exclusives did also come on the PC eventually. Some PS2 exclusives that have come on the PC includes: MGS 1-3, Onimusha 3, GTA3, GTA:VC, GTA:SA, etc... Publishers only want triple-A, best selling games to be ported over the PC in order to guarantee profits. Thats why games like Gears of War (and presumably Halo 3) will make it to the PC. At this time, the PS3 is void of any Triple-A best selling games (though this may change by Christmas).

HD-DVD PIRACY WILL COST MICROSOFT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS: newsflash, the games don't come on HD-DVD format. Even if its true that HD-DVD piracy is running rampant, it has no effect on Microsoft profits or the Xbox360 as a gaming platform. It is the movie studios and toshiba that would be on the losing end of that. As for DVD copying, yes you can copy xbox360 games if you have a modded console(which voids the warranty); this makes up a very small percentage of 360 buyers. What REALLY matters is the game sales and Xbox360 cleans the floor compared to the PS3 titles. Games that are released on both platforms consistantly sell more on the Xbox360. The proof can be found on www.vgchartz.com. The attach rate on the x360 is also much higher.

Just FYI, I am an xbox360 and PS3 owner. I owne 8 xbox360 games and zero PS3 games. Im using PS3 primarily as a bluray player and for certain future games such as GT5 (gonna be a long wait).

[BloodShed]

In 1972 Sir Clive Sinclair launched the "Executive" the world's first truly pocket calculator @ £79 today you can buy a pocket calculator for £1 does that mean that Sir Clive was ripping people off?

I dont think so this is technology and in 1972 not everyone could afford the executive either.
The PS3 is one such luxury that not everyone can afford but £ for £ you get probably get the worlds only truly next gen console and movie player all rolled into one.

And one last thing "It always works flawlessly when you want it to" RROD

Excellent example.

I bought a full priced 60G PS3 during release month. I don't feel ripped off or regret my purchase. Computers and electronics are terrible investments and you need to expect that they will drop in value considerably.